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Edward Lee (Bolton) 1870? - 1928?

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VALLMO9
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Re: Edward Lee (Bolton) 1870? - 1928?

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Thepastisyourself wrote: 16 Sep 2020, 16:18 Edward married Olive Burgess at Macclesfield Register Office on 6th September 1897, aged 27.
What are the names of the marriage witnesses? I presume you have the marriage cert?

1891 census: Edward Lee (age 21, mattress maker) residing with Alexander & Bridget Pendlebury in Bolton. Edward is listed as "nephew".

The census above is a strong contender, as the occupation matches Edward's job in 1901 census report.

1881 census: Edward Lee (age 12, scholar) residing with Thomas & Catherine Ward in Bolton. Edward is listed as "brother-in-law". His older sisters Isabella and Martha are living with the Ward family, as well.
1871 census: Edward Lee (age 1) living with parents Edward & Mary Lee in Bolton. Sisters are Isabela (age 7) and Martha (age 4). Father Edward (age 33, cotton operative) is listed as "visitor" in the George Leven household.
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Have you seen this Passenger record with image on FMP?

Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
First name(s) Edward
Last name Lee
Age 25
Birth year 1870
Marital status S
Occupation MATTRESS MAKER
Departure year 1895
Departure day 4
Departure month 9
Departure port Liverpool
Destination PHILADELPHIA

This record with image on Ancestry:

Pennsylvania, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1800-1962
Name: Edward Lee
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1870
Last Residence: Macclesfield
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1895
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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In case you don't have an Ancestry worldwide subscription to view the Philadelphia passenger record:

Edward's final destination is Providence, Rhode Island. He's visiting his uncle (no name given) who resides in Providence at 149 Manton (?) Ave.
There is a name written, in a lighter pen/pencil, to the right: Uncle Patric ?????
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VALLMO9 wrote: 16 Sep 2020, 20:24 In case you don't have an Ancestry worldwide subscription to view the Philadelphia passenger record
Then you can see it for free on FamilySearch (if you are registered!)
Here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... -64X?i=218

Card Index
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 1-S?i=1771

I think just the one uncle?
Card index says Uncle Patsci :? Moughan, 149 Manton Ave. Providence R.I.

Cool finds Mo.
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jonwarrn wrote: 16 Sep 2020, 20:41
VALLMO9 wrote: 16 Sep 2020, 20:24 In case you don't have an Ancestry worldwide subscription to view the Philadelphia passenger record
I think just the one uncle?
Card index says Uncle Patsci :? Moughan, 149 Manton Ave. Providence R.I.
Cool finds Mo.
Thanks, Jon. Sometimes I just get lucky. :D
I think that 149 Manton Ave, Providence was located in an area of Bedding wholesalers, etc. So it makes sense that Edward (mattress maker) would be visiting there.

Also, your find of Uncle Patsci Moughan possibly connects some dots. The maiden name of Alexander Pendlebury's wife was Bridget Manuel, according to their 1865 marriage registration. According to the 1891 census, Bridget was born in County Clare, Ireland. Was she Edward's aunt?

As regards the Ward family in the 1881 census: Wife/mother Catherine's maiden name is Manion.
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It does look like there will be an Irish connection.
But I'm not really convinced by that transcription of the uncle's name on the card index! Surely will be uncle Patrick?

1896 Providence, Rhode Island, City Directory has nothing for 149 Manton Ave
Not sure that the 1900 US census does either (though possibly Uncle P would have been long gone anyway), Colwell at number 139 in both
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1325221

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Paul - what are the witness names of the 1897 marriage cert - if you have it ??
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Also, if you have a FMP sub, explore their various Cheshire workhouse records collections, which include Macclesfield.

Here's an example. The image indicates she was signed out by her husband.

Cheshire Workhouse Records (Admissions & Discharges)
First name(s) MARY
Last name Lee
Admission date 06 Jan 1864
Poor Law Union MACCLESFIELD
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Thepastisyourself wrote: 16 Sep 2020, 22:29 I also believe that Edward had two sisters Isabella and Martha but would like to prove.
Well, they do appear in the 1871 and 1881 census reports with Edward.
TIP: Their birth/baptisms may have been recorded under the mother's maiden name. There's always a chance that Edward and Mary weren't married.

Try searching for their baptisms/births using the surnames "Manion" or "Manuel". Perhaps mother Mary was related to the Ward and Pendlebury wives, whose surnames are so close. There must be some connection, as Edward is recorded as "nephew" and "brother-in-law" to those two families.
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ARRGGHH! I just typed out a lengthy reply with records, but it's now gone due to the system timing me out! :roll:

Okay, I'll summarise:

Uncle Patrick is actually Patrick Manion from Ireland, by way of Bolton. I've included his 1900 census record below. So this probably means that Edward Lee's mother was also a Manion.

U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
Name: Patrick Manion
Residence Year: 1896
Street Address: Quinn Bartholomewlabor'rh (ignore - this is a transcription error - it's actually Atwells Ave)
Residence Place: Providence, Rhode Island
Occupation: Spinner

U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
Name: Patrick Manion
Residence Year: 1897
Street Address: Pond Street (actually it's Pomona Ave - as per the 1900 census below)
Residence Place: Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Occupation: Spinner

1896 image - address is Atwells Avenue -- which adjoins Manton Avenue, Providence.
1897 image - living with son Joseph Manion (weaver) who was born in Bolton!

1871 census - Bolton, Lancs - Rowland Street
Patrick & Ann Manion + 5 children (including young Joseph)

1881 census - Bolton, Lancs - Rowland Street
You'll recall that Edward Lee is residing with the Ward family on the same street.

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Patrick Manion
Age: 60
Birth Date: Mar 1840
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1900: Providence Ward 10, Providence, Rhode Island
Street: Pomona Avenue
Immigration Year: 1890 (looks to be a few years off - should be c1887?)
Marital status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Years in US: 10
Naturalization: Alien
Occupation: Cotton Spinner
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