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mthasl
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I have come across a deserter in my tree. Edward Hill Born 1852 in Aylesham norfolk, deserted the Royal Horse Artillery on 5th March 1872 at Woolwich. What would have happened to him if he had been caught? I can't find him at all after this date if he wasn't caught would he have changed his name?

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meekhcs
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I don't know if this is the same person but I found the following newspaper account
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jonwarrn
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As it was in 1872 he would at least just miss being stamped or tattooed with the letter "D" if caught. That was abolished in 1871.
mthasl wrote: 02 Nov 2020, 16:24 Edward Hill Born 1852 in Aylesham norfolk, deserted the Royal Horse Artillery on 5th March 1872 at Woolwich.
The details on his listing as indexed (the original publication is on fold3)
Edward Hill
Age: 20
Birth Place: Hackford, Norfolk
Desertion Date: 5 Mar 1872
Desertion Place: Woolwich
Regimental Number: 2871
Military Corps: Royal Horse Artillery

Now then, was he the son of Charles Warner Hill and Harriet, nee Cann?
1851 census in Hackford next Reepham, he is 10 months old
Has a brother Robert Warner Hill
piece 1810 folio 114 page 12
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXH-SR9

Birth reg
HILL, EDWARD
Mother's Maiden Surname: CANN
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in AYLSHAM Volume 13 Page 16

Family in Hackford in 1861
Forgive the image quality!
Edward Hill is 10, father Charles Hill is a Tailor
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... -8926-C9FN

1871 in Woolwich
Edward Hill, 19, born Rufham Norfolk, in the Horse Artillery
Is that place of birth meant to be Reepham?
jonwarrn
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mthasl wrote: 02 Nov 2020, 16:24 if he wasn't caught would he have changed his name?
It's possible! It would help if he remained as Edward!

What about this chap, he has come out of nowhere!
1881 in Leeds, Edward Hallan, 30, Carter, born Norfolk Norwich
Married to Emma H
Free census transcript on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-J45W

The marriage was in 1874, Edward Hallan + Emma Harriet Sharpe (at a Leeds Registered Building)

It gets better!
In 1891 census (where it appears to have the family name as Hallam), Edward is 40, born Reepham, Norfolk. A labourer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7XZL-YN2

1901 in Leeds, Edward Hallan is 50, born Norfolk Rupham (a bit like 1871!)
Transcribed as Hallow on ancestry, piece 4218 folio 25 page 42
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PH-1KN

By 1911 Edward is widowed, still in Leeds.
Edward Hallan, 60, Recreation Club Steward, born Norfolk Hackford
He says he has had eight children, six are still living
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJB-RNS

The birth reg of the 32 year old son
HALLAN, ROBERT WARNER
Mother's Maiden Surname:SHARPE
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in LEEDS Volume 09B Page 515

Remembering that Edward Hill from Hackford/Reepham had a brother Robert and father was Charles, we saw that both of them had Warner as a middle name in the 1851 census.

There is no Edward Hallan born circa 1851 in Norfolk before the 1881 census as far as I can see. Names could mutate if course. But it looks promising?
But I am now struggling to find a death for Edward Hallan after 1911!
jonwarrn
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Maybe this death?
Dec 1931 Leeds North 9b 402
Hallam, Edward
age 81

Buried at Beckett Street Cemetery, Leeds, in the unconsecrated portion, 9 Dec 1931. Age 81
Died 6 Dec.
But says he was a Dyer :?

He was a Ware mill Labourer in 1901, which might explain things (if I knew what a ware mill was!)
mthasl
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thank you all this seems to be my Edward, I had wondered if he had changed or altered his name.

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