Death Philip Neri Parmiter Snr

[meekhcs]

I have just received a reply from Bereavement services regarding the grave of Philip Parmintor.

According to them the person buried in 31B is one Philip Parmington aged 33 and buried on the 26 Aug 1879. It is a council owned grave, containing other unrelated bodies, and they have no further information to offer.

My Philip was born 27 May 1846 in Dorset as Philip Nerie Parmiter, and would also have been 33 years old.

I have put the name Philip Parmington into both Ancestry and FMP search engines . There were no results.

I will think on before deciding what to do next.

[Mick Loney]

Sally,
Although the wrong surname, Parmington should have come up on Freebmd when I searched for Parm*.

Nevertheless Parmington is too close to Parmiintor to ignore. It is only missing the middle ‘g’, easily missed if spelling phonetically, and final ‘r’could easily be misread for ‘n’

I think you may have found your man

I live near Danygraig, so if I get a chance I’ll pay it a visit to see what I can find

[meekhcs]

Mike
That would be wonderful thank you.

I went back to bereavement services and suggested it could still be him, and they agreed could be a 19thC typo!!

sally

[VALLMO9]

I still think it's odd that there seems to be no death registration(s) for Philip (1879) or Arthur and Edith Tall (1880). There may be other instances, as well. It's a shame, because what happens if a descendant wants to know cause of death, the informant, address of the deceased, etc? Without the death certificate...

[Mick Loney]

Yes, weird. I always thought a death certificate was required for burial - seems not

[PatsyAlice]

There is a death registered for an unknown male aged 30 - 40 Sept qtr 1879 Cardiff. Maybe it took a while to identify him. I don't know if they would then register the death again.

[meekhcs]

Mo
I think I may have cracked Arthur and Edith. They were registered with the surname TARR

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I had tried searching with just the christian name for my Guy, no joy, but I tried the same with Edith and Arthur. I am running out of ideas for Philip

PatsyAlice Thank you
If he was later identified I think the registration would have been amended and marked as an occasional copy

[AdrianBruce]

Just to add another combination in relation to a Common (i.e. Council Owned) Grave that I don't think I mentioned.

My friend's infamous G-GF is in a Common Grave with several other burials, all of whom are family members. We think that he must have placed some sort of reservation on the plot in order to reserve it for his own use - hence only his family was buried in there. But he never, we suspect, completed the purchase of the right to burial, hence the grave is still a council owned, Common Grave, even though all burials are from the one family. (The guy had the gift of the gab, so this might not have been a normal scenario).

[meekhcs]

Thank you Adrian.

I have just emailed the Swansea Registrars Office to see if they can shed any light.

[VALLMO9]

Sally - any thoughts as to which Swansea parish Philip's burial fell under? Glancing at FMP's Glamorganshire Parish Lists, I notice that some of Swansea burials coverage begins after 1879.

Question: Do you know the Parmiter address when daughter Alice Beatrice was born/baptised? Is it also New Oxford Street, Swansea (the family's address in the 1881 census).

In case it helps, there was a Mary Ann Seacombe who lived at 74 New Oxford Street when she passed in late 1881. Her Swansea, St Peter burial record is on FMP.

I did a quick search of Swansea, St Peter burials for 1879-1880. There's only 32 records. None of which include any birth or burial years in the main search results screen. Very odd. For comparison, there are 122 burial records for 1881. Nearly all of the have birth and burial years.

So the c1879 burials on FMP look very spotty. Something to consider if PNP's burial fell under Swansea, St Peter.